So, wait, are his terrorist ties with the Muslim side or the Fundamentalist Christian side? Is he blow up people in the desert kind of terrorist or shoot a doctor in church kind of terrorist?

/DRFTA

What's the deal with these fake ex-terrorists? Walid Shoebat is another. These guys have a quite a cottage industry for themselves.

It seems to me that the same people who say that Muslims can't be trusted because the Koran says it's OK to deceive the nonbelievers in jihad are also the same ones that embrace these so-called ex-terrorists. Why wouldn't these converts be deep undercover?

xanadian: There's a difference?

...and we're done here.

They had a nutjob like this visit my mother in law's Baptist church. The people were shocked and wanted to know how they can help to stop the 15 million Christians that were beheaded last year in Saudi Arabia and so they gave him lots of money. They also learned that the best way to stop Islamic terrorism was to convince the Government to eradicate all non Christians from the face of the Earth. That got applause from the crowd.

At time I hate this hick town.

Well, as a pagan, I have to say I'm rather happy that Christian ministers have moved on from being ex-evil-witches to being ex-evil-Muslims.

/my condolences to the Muslims

And while Liberty Baptist Seminary officials found Caner made "factual statements that are self-contradictory," the chairman of the panel that investigated him says, "We never once found that he lied."

You see, that's the problem, you have to know what a Southern Baptist lie means. If you put it in a small paper bag it becomes something else.

Onkel Buck: Wow! Those terrorist don't do anything half ass even conversions

It doesn't really seem like all that big a change to me.

The theists in the United States have no world wide credibility.

THIS

At least he's not gay.

/sarcasm

I KNEW he looked familiar...

JerseyTim: What's the deal with these fake ex-terrorists? Walid Shoebat is another. These guys have a quite a cottage industry for themselves.

It seems to me that the same people who say that Muslims can't be trusted because the Koran says it's OK to deceive the nonbelievers in jihad are also the same ones that embrace these so-called ex-terrorists. Why wouldn't these converts be deep undercover?

It's the same as the "former 33rd degree Masonic Satanist Priests" and "former witches" who claim to have served Satan (the "prince of lies") but were saved from damnation by Big G and the JC Boyz. They tell ridiculous, impossible, laughable lies because to the faithful it's like hearing a play-by-play of their favorite football team winning against their rivals. They either rationalize the lies as righteous because, "It helps show kids where (insert bad thing) leads, and leads them back to God;" or they simply smother any guilt under piles of money.

Note this also occurs with preachers telling filthy liesstories about their days of drugging, whoring, and/or fabulousing (having lots of gay sex) all over the place.

This is the first I have heard of a fake "former muslim" but I have no doubt they've been around just as long as the rest. The improbable stories of, "Savages being civilized by the great white European colonial penisesmissionaries," make this trope older than dirt.

This is typical Christian Fundy theatrics. They all need to have a narrative of sin and redemption and they love to work a crowd into a frenzy over the work of Satan that they have, with their own eyes, witnessed.

Baloney.

Do Christian fundamentalists realize how gullible and easy to manipulate they are? Spiritual warfare!!@! YEEEEARRRRRGH!!!!!!

FTA: And while Liberty Baptist Seminary officials found Caner made "factual statements that are self-contradictory," the chairman of the panel that investigated him says, "We never once found that he lied."

...wait, what?

And while Liberty Baptist Seminary officials found Caner made "factual statements that are self-contradictory," the chairman of the panel that investigated him says, "We never once found that he lied."

Behold! The magic of doublethink!

LeglessDog: I read this book, by him and his brother. It's very detailed and (from my amateur prospective) unbiased. Any person who still has hope there's such thing as a devout Muslim who's "moderate" and doesn't hate all the "infidels" should read this book . . .

Unveiling Islam is a series of half truths, misrepresentations, and specious arguments. Speaking as a moderate Muslim, I have to disagree with their representations of Islam. If you have specific questions, I'm glad to answer them either here or at the email in my profile.

abb3w: FTA: And while Liberty Baptist Seminary officials found Caner made "factual statements that are self-contradictory," the chairman of the panel that investigated him says, "We never once found that he lied."

...wait, what?

Ooh fancy font!

Aarontology: And while Liberty Baptist Seminary officials found Caner made "factual statements that are self-contradictory," the chairman of the panel that investigated him says, "We never once found that he lied."

Behold! The magic of doublethink!

Could God make self-contradicting yet factual statements without ever once lying?

Thorndyke Barnhard: I think "converts" help people feel ok with the fact that they are a member of a faith most likely only because they were born into a community of that faith and not because they rationally chose it or subjected it to any vetting for truth. They benefit vicariously from the example of the convert and think it makes their religion more credible if they can point to someone who chose it freely and consciously.

That's an interesting theory. But I have to wonder how many of the kind of faithful that so love these "conversion stories" are actually capable of that level of introspection or understanding of indoctrination, even subconsciously.

But I may just be too prejudiced.

Stile4aly: LeglessDog: I read this book, by him and his brother. It's very detailed and (from my amateur prospective) unbiased. Any person who still has hope there's such thing as a devout Muslim who's "moderate" and doesn't hate all the "infidels" should read this book . . .

Unveiling Islam is a series of half truths, misrepresentations, and specious arguments. Speaking as a moderate Muslim, I have to disagree with their representations of Islam. If you have specific questions, I'm glad to answer them either here or at the email in my profile.

Given that TFA talks about the guy having immigrated from Sweden I suspect Legless Dog is either guzzling the kool-aid or trolling.

LeglessDog: I read this book, by him and his brother. It's very detailed and (from my amateur prospective) unbiased. Any person who still has hope there's such thing as a devout Muslim who's "moderate" and doesn't hate all the "infidels" should read this book . . .

Well my bias is certainly confirmed. As long as it's in a book that means it's okay, though.